DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): The medical associations has stated that homosexuality is OK and is NOT a disorder, is that correct?
WITNESS (W): Yes, that is correct.
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): Homosexuality not a disorder just like being "left-handed" is not a disorder, is that correct?
WITNESS (W): Yes, that is correct.
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): Also, homosexuality not a disorder just like being "black" or "white" is not a disorder, is that correct?
WITNESS (W): Yes, that is correct.
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): Could someone live there entire life doing things "left-handed" like writing
with their left hand, playing sports left handed, and even eating their food left handed, would that possible?
WITNESS (W): Yes, that would be possible?
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): Would living their entire life left-handed, be a "disorder"?
WITNESS (W): No, it would not be a disorder.
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): So are you saying living left handed would be OK?
WITNESS (W): Yes, it would be OK.
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): How about being "black" versus "white"? Would being "black" be a disorder?
WITNESS (W): No, it would not be a disorder.
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): So it's OK to be black?
WITNESS (W): Yes, it would be OK to be black and you can live a normal life being black or white.
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): Let's talk about the color in someone's hair. Would it be OK to have black hair and bleach it blond?
WITNESS (W): Yes, it would be OK to bleach one hair's blond.
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): How about dyeing one's hair, that's currently blond, black? Would that be OK?
WITNESS (W): Yes, it would be OK to dye one hair's black.
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): Could someone dye his/her hair black for their entire life and be OK?
WITNESS (W): Yes, one could dye one's hair, black, for their entire life and be OK.
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): Say if EVERYONE dyed their hair black for their entire life, would that by OK?
WITNESS (W): Yes, if everyone in the world would dye their hair black and the world still keep turning and life would go on.
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): Say if EVERYONE decided to do everything with their left-hand, would that be OK
WITNESS (W): Yes, if everyone in the world decided to be LEFT-HANDED the world still keep turning and life would go on.
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): Say if EVERYONE decided to do be HOMOSEXUAL, would that be OK?
WITNESS (W): If everyone in the world decided to be HOMOSEXUAL the world still keep turning.
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): Would life go on?
WITNESS (W): [silence]
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): I ask again, Would life go on?
WITNESS (W): [silence]
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): Would if be OK if life did NOT go on?
WITNESS (W): No, it would not be OK.
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): Would if be a DISORDER if life did NOT go on?
WITNESS (W): [silence]
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): Would if be a DISORDER if life did NOT go on?
WITNESS (W): Yes, it would be a DISORDER if life did not go on.
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): So how can homosexuality be OK, just like being left-handed or being "black" or "white" is OK?
WITNESS (W): [silence]
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): Did you not just answer that if life didn't go on, it would NOT be OK?
WITNESS (W): I know what I said!
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): Did you NOT just answer that if life did NOT go on, it would be a DISORDER?
WITNESS (W): [silence]
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): If the end result of everyone deciding to be homosexual is the self-extinction of the human race, how can homosexuality be OK?
WITNESS (W): [silence]
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): If the end result of everyone deciding to be homosexual is the self-extinction of the human race, how can homosexuality not be DISORDER?
WITNESS (W): But not everyone in the world is going to be homosexual.
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): But you just said it is OK for everyone to be left-handed? Did you not?
WITNESS (W): [silence]
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): And did you not say that it would be OK for everyone to dye their hair black? Did you not?
WITNESS (W): [silence]
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): So how can you say that homosexuality is OK, just like being left-handed is OK and like being "black" or "white" is OK,
when you just said that everyone being homosexual would be a disorder and NOT OK and it would lead to be self extinction of the human race?
WITNESS (W): [silence]
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): [silence]
WITNESS (W): It's different this time.
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): What's different this time?
WITNESS (W): Not everyone is going to be homosexual.
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): But I thought you said it's OK for everyone to be left-handed or for everyone to dye their hair "black"?
What would be so "different" this time if everyone decided to be homosexual?
WITNESS (W): [silence]
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): [silence]
WITNESS (W): The difference would be extinction.
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): And would extinction be OK?
WITNESS (W): NO, it would NOT be OK!
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): Would self-extinction be the result of some DISORDER?
WITNESS (W): Yes, self-extinction would be the result of some disorder.
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): And could that disorder be everyone deciding to be homosexual?
WITNESS (W): Yes, if everyone decided to be homosexual, that would be a disorder.
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): So how can the medical association say that homosexuality is not a disorder if it's not OK for everyone to be homosexual?
WITNESS (W): [silence]
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): You did say it's not OK for everyone to be homosexual?
WITNESS (W): Yes, I know what I said.
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): Have there be any other "DISORDERS" in any of the medical associations that involved suicide and depression that have been reclassified as NOT a medical disorder like "homosexuality" has been?
WITNESS (W): I don't know and I can't think of any that have been.
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): What about any "DISORDERS", regardless of suicide and depression, that that have been reclassified later as NOT a medical disorder?
WITNESS (W): I can't think of any right now.
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): So how can homosexuality be like being left-handed or dyeing one's hair black, where if everyone were
to be left-handed, the world be OK. But if everyone decided to be homosexual, the human race would be extinct in a few generations?
WITNESS (W): Because homosexuality is a really disorder and being left-handed it just being different.
Homosexuality is different than being left handed.
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): Are you changing you testimony? Did you not say that homosexuality is just like being left-handed or being "black" or "white"?
I can read the court transcript back to you.
WITNESS (W): I know what I said. You don't have to read the transcript.
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): [silence]
WITNESS (W): What I mean to say is that the medical associations know better than the public on how to handle homosexuality.
We have dealt with homosexuality and have personally interviewed, met with distressed gays and lesbians.
When they come to us, they are distressed, despondent, depressed, and many suicidal. And that was back then. Now, with drugs, AIDS
and STD's, they are just as depressed. Plus, we have to deal with drugs, prescription drugs, alcohol, and addiction.
And then there are the transsexuals, bisexuals, and those homosexuals that really are bisexual. Or they are, or they feel are homosexual at some points in their life and then feel heterosexual in others.
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): So it's OK to for someone to get married and have kids thinking and perhaps siding towards more heterosexual and then, for some reason, they feel more homosexual later in life?
WITNESS (W): Well, that's what happens to some people.
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): I asked you, is it OK?
WITNESS (W): Certainly not for the kids and the spouse.
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): To change from one to the other at some point in their life means there is no sense of ORDER. So it must be a DISORDER?
WITNESS (W): Yes, that is a disorder!
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): So why prescribe all of the prescription depression drugs to homosexuals when you say homosexuality is OK?
WITNESS (W): Because they come to us depressed, suicidal.
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): So with all the depression, drugs and additions, back then and even now, how can homosexuality be OK? It definitely looks like a DISORDER.
WITNESS (W): Getting rid of homosexuality on the list of disorders is all we could think of as we tried all sorts of things to cure homosexuality.
And by making homosexuality OK in society, patients, homosexuals would feel comfortable about their sexuality.
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): Well, if gays and lesbians are to be accepted in society, wouldn't it be OK for everyone in the world to become homosexual?
You want gays and lesbians to be "accepted", what better way for gays and lesbians to feel "accepted" by having everyone in the world to become homosexual?
WITNESS (W): Well, yes.
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): So the cure would be having everyone become homosexual so that homosexuals will feel secure and "normal". But what about self-extinction of the human race by homosexuality?
WITNESS (W): Well, we were only concerned with our patients.
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): So the ends, justify the means?
WITNESS (W): When you have dealt personally with homosexuality on a day to basis, you'll know.
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): Would lying to your patients on "what is a disorder" and "what is not a disorder", be OK?
WITNESS (W): [silence]
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): What is the percentage of homosexuals in the general population?
WITNESS (W): It can range anywhere from 10 percent to 1 percent depending upon who you ask.
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): So from the lowest estimate to the highest estimate, the accuracy rate could be like one thousand percent off?
WITNESS (W): Yes, it's very difficult to get an accurate estimate on the percentage of homosexuals in the general population.
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): So if being homosexual is OK, how much more difficult, percentage wise, would it be to find a mate than being heterosexual?
Just from a pure statistical standpoint?
WITNESS (W): It would be far more difficult. Let's choose a middle number, say 5% homosexual. That's 1 in 20 homosexual. That leaves 19 out of 20 hetersexual.
Then there is the difficulty on how does a homosexual distinguish between say a homosexual male and a hetersexual male based upon visual appearance?
Sure, there are certain things, say gays, look for, but the amount of time, actually extra time, spent can be dramatic when compared to hetersexuals. Lots of mistakes, miscues
misreads are made. And because the population is so small to begin with, they are desparate, so they pair off with far less than their ideals or what's even realistic.
The first one they meet, they try harder right away knowing their chance with another will be again, very slim. Why is this? Cause they, themselves, homosexuals have problems determing who they are in the first place. Plus, it can easily change from time
to time, year to year, whether they want to, or not.
And then there is homosexual act to begin with. No one really want talks about that to much. For gays, who's plays the male part and who plays the female part during sex?
And what about fecal matter? Sh*t, that's what it's called. Don't they have signs in the restrooms of restaurants ordering all employees to "Wash their hands"? When someone goes to the bathroom to relieve themselves
do they not have toilet paper? And how messy does it really get? Does one rub their hands in their own fecal matter as if it was applying moisturizing lotion? But this is not even the case.
It's someone rubbing and massaging their own body parts with open orifices in someone else's fecal matter. That's just asking for infection from fecal matter and quite simply,
biologically hazardous. Let's face it. Viewing, smelling, and/or contacting fecal matter isn't something someone one wants to enjoy while having sex. There are reasons toilets and the saintation system were invented and developed. And that't to reduce the risk of disease. Even now, in the food supply,
strange diseases like E. coli scares, Avian flu (bird flu) and Mad Cow disease are from, in one form or another, from animal fecal matter introduced somewhere in the food chain. Either by having
live stock crammed to together so they have no room but step and walk in their own fecal matter or feeding them the processed parts of their own species that contain fecal matter all in the name of increasing financial profit.
It wouldn't surprise me that interacting with fecal matter could be one of the reasons for bizarre, never before heard of, diseases like AIDS.
And so, because of things like that, many try to forget their sexual identity problems by alcohol and taking drugs.
Many get addicted to alcohol and drugs. But many couldn't care less about the drugs and alchohol and are so upset about their future prospects,
as they can't live a full and normal life like their friends and parents, they commit suicide. So when the medical associations said one can live a normal life
being homosexual, it certainly didn't come true, as now, some have sexual relations just to try things out and that increased the STD's and spread AIDS.
Those types of diseases now causes even more mental problems that patients have to deal with. Hence, the stress on homosexuals now goes up even higher leading
to more depression and other mental problems.
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): So saying homosexual was 'normal' actually increased the number of medical and mental problems?
WITNESS (W): Well I don't know that. But I do know that AIDS came out of nowhere after the medical associations said that one can live a normal life while being homosexual.
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): So let's see. Not being able to have your own biological children is normal.
WITNESS (W): No it's not. While unhappy, people have successfully lived with it, but there is a medical condition for whatever reason a patient can't have children.
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): Could these medical conditions on not being able to have children be called a 'disorder'?
WITNESS (W): Yes, it would be a disorder of some sort.
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): So why can't homosexuality be condition or disorder for not having children?
WITNESS (W): Cause the medical associations said it wasn't a disorder?
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): But you just said not being able to have children is a medical disorder of some sort, did you not?
WITNESS (W): Yes, I did.
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): How can something that becomes (or cause something to become) 10, 20 to 100 times more difficult from a statistical standpoint be considered normal?
WITNESS (W): Anything that causes anything to be 10 times more difficult should definately be looked at more closely.
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): So how can some of the medical associations say that one can live a 'normal' life as a homosexual when it's statistically far more difficult to find a mate
and where homosexual mates can also switch their sexual preferences over time?
WITNESS (W): [silence]
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): Would direct contact with a biologically hazardous material such a fecal matter, be safe for a person?
WITNESS (W): No.
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): What about direct contact with a biologically hazardous material such a fecal matter on a regular basis, be safe for a person?
WITNESS (W): No.
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): What about introducing a biologically hazardous material such a fecal matter into the blood steam on a regular basis, be safe for a person?
WITNESS (W): No.
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): What about direct contact with a biologically hazardous material such a fecal matter on a regular basis, would that be consided 'normal'?
WITNESS (W): No. It's not normal. It's dangerous.
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): How can the medical associations say homosexuals can live a 'normal' life when direct contact with a biologically hazardous material such a fecal matter on a regular basis is 'dangerous'?
WITNESS (W): I don't know.
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): Do heterosexual have direct contact with fecal matter on a regular basis and would it normal or safe?
WITNESS (W): Some do, but again, it's biologically dangerous. I mean you are taught to wash your hands after going to the restroom in restaurants, or for that matter, anywhere.
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): Why would a person do something biologically unsafe on a regular basis?
WITNESS (W): Probally something wrong with the person's mental decision making.
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): If something is wrong with the person's mental decision making, would that be a mental disorder?
WITNESS (W): It's someone is doing something that is biolgically risky and hazardous, something is definally not right.
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): And if something that is not right, would that something not be "in order"? Hence, out of order, or a 'disorder'?
WITNESS (W): [silence]
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): Would lying to your patients on "what is a disorder" and "what is not a disorder", be OK?
WITNESS (W): It's definately different and far more difficult to find a mate. Or for that matter, even a sexually stable mate in terms
of being either homosexual or hetersexual.
DEFENDANTS' COUNSEL (DC): So, again, would lying to your patients on "what is a disorder" and "what is not a disorder", be OK?
WITNESS (W): [silence]
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